Like I said there's still a ton of detail work to do. Pockets and patches, tools, a larger MMU> Also I want to branch it to other characters, but wanted to start with the P6 crew first. Wrinkles are something I've been thinking about, I was kicking around using a displacement channel but I'll probably model them in. ynsaen, I've been an RHH fan since I WAS a juve! Paid for his autograph with the first gallon of blood donated to the Red Cross and I'm still giving it to them. You have no idea what a comliment I concider that!