"But Ajax, wasn't vue4 pro, vue 5, vue 5 pro, and now vue infinite all upgraded versions of the original vue4?" No, not really. It's certainly true that there was a time when Vue only came in one flavour, but when the pro stream was introduced, it was as a new stream, not an upgrade from the old one. Yes, e-on is sensible enough to offer you a discount if you decide you started in the wrong stream and you want to change, but V4P isn't an upgrade to V4, it's a pro version. Mover is an add-on that still exists. It's roughly the equivalent of Bryce Turbo Import, except it imports Poser animations (stills can be imported without it). Obviously not every Vue user is one of the dozen or so Poser animators, so having it as an optional extra for the non-pro version is sensible enough. It's the same sort of strategy a lot of companies use (and DAZ says they're planning this for Studio) - optional add-ons sold separately so only the people that need them have to pay for them. "I just remember every time a new version was released, people complaining that they had just bought the "latest greatest", and it was now being surpassed." Those would be people that don't like to read, I guess. E-on were very up front about what they were planning. They e-mailed the info to customers on the mailing list and they posted the press releases on their site. They even went as far as saying in advance that if you were in the professional stream and you were torn between the instant gratification of getting the hobbyist Vue 5 and the desire to hold out until the professional Infinite was released, they'd give you an extra discount to buy both. There was a HUGE amount of info available on the release strategy for anybody that looked and naturally it was all over the relevant fora, including Renderosity. Yes, there's a place for Bryce and it's a perfectly valid and even much loved application. I just don't understand why anyone would criticise a company for actually working to improve their product. It really sounds like you're slamming e-on for adding new and better features at regular 2 year intervals. I got my first Bryce four and a half years ago and in all that time it's only managed to go up one and a half versions and hasn't changed very much. I guess that if you're afraid learning new features, that would be a good thing, but most people seem pretty keen on having their software keep up with the times, especailly given how fast 3D rendering technology is changing.

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