thanks for all the replies guys. I plan on using the model in 3d Max - its just that 3dMax people tend to be less help in ways of things like this - they tend to be like "if you didnt make it yourself, your utter crap" and thus dont share models. The reason why i want such a low-poly figure is because it will be easier to rig it up and then let the program turbosmooth it as it renders. Plus it will be faster on things like Skinwrap - 3dMax's answer to Poser's conforming clothes. The reason why i'm asking for help, is simple because i cant model on my own - i suck at it. I can kitbash like somethin else, though. so clothing based of the models will be a non-issue. Thanks ~a grateful FoaS