lol, thanks. I appreciate your sympathy. So, methinks im better off modelling a humanoid figure on my own - bah, i needed to learn anyways - Ive been looking up tutorials like mad, and all of them say "Make it look human" and none of them say "well, in order to make it look like a human, the shoulder has go to look like this, and here are a few ways to do this." Anyone know of any tutorials that do this?