yep after 30 min, i finally found i had diffuse as white -_- set black and worked fine :) told you dumb thing :P but 2nd problem now camera looks at mirror and mirror reflects fine but my whole scene is inside of a hi-res sphere sphere is at 3000% size (3x as wide as scene) normals point inwards, and it has a texture on it the area that would be showing in the mirror is away from camera view, so camera sees only in mirror how to fix?:P