ok.... We've got post deletions. For those who missed them, ironbear posted a rather scathing commentary on the proceedings, and someone who doesn't exist inthe member list for the site posted little barbs back. That's why the posts 87 and 90. (just for reference)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)