Fox, I don't have the propack yet but, if its like Max 3.1 with their script language, I would imagine placing a script in a startup dir would get it executed automatically. If not then it would have to be run from a command line. I was a little shocked C. Labs decided to leave in things like the socket connections and destructive file io but then its hard to not have them. Like Jack said. you take something out and someone will bitch for it. If the scripts really bug you out Fox, just avoid them and wait till the dust settles.