LOL DaleB...I can't model worth a rats a$$ as of yet. Hell, I stopped at Chapter 7 until now. I'll say this much rendering an image in Shade @ 4000x4000 - plain white background - plain old white lights renders in a matter of seconds/1-2minutes. Simply I need to render a very large image w/out a lot of fuss & muss.....I see if you have Poser you can get Pro for $699.00(NOT cheap by any means). Could not find anywhere on e-frontier's site about upgrading from Standard to Pro though. I really have no patience for complicated(which should be simple) matters. ~sigh~ In Shade7 Standard max render = 4000x4000.....cripes I just need 2000 extra either way :(.