Whoa, take it easy. I never said I was willing to sacrifice freedom, quite the contrary. And to tell me I have somehow lost my right to participate in this discussion directly violates the rights you so passionately defend. Look as far as the ID issue, yes, it is law that you must have an ID. I know of no state where an officer cannot issue you a summons if he/she stops you and you do not have a valid ID on hand. (Granted, it is a blue law, like having at least a dollar in your pocket at all times, but it is still a law.) You know, I will give it to you though. Now that I think about the national ID, from your point of view, you make sense. It really is a simple matter of faking an ID if need be. Though I still don't think it violates my right to privacy to have one. In reality, you can be tracked via your driver's license throughout the country. You can be tracked in the NY metro area via EZ-Pass (a toll-paying RFID device.) You can be tracked via bank/credit card. If you think about it, you can be tracked in so many ways you never even think about, that the media hyping this law really makes it worse than it really is. No, I do not want big brother telling me I cannot go where I please, when I please to do so. Am I in favor of sacrificing liberty for the assurance of safety? Not at all, since safety is not garunteed anyway. Now please, why don't we bring this back to a discussion level. I see no reason to argue. I think this is a very intelligent conversation, and some really great points have been raised. I would really appreciate not being directly attacked though. That's what the people in Washington are for ;-)