Thanks Keith for the honest and thoughtful posting. Your opinions are valuable not only because you are an artist (I use the term carefully) but because you also take a good hard look at things. One thing I must say however, even though I am a relative newcomer, is that in retrospect looking at my posting I think there is some correlation, however tainted it may be, between the number of comments received and the appeal of the images. [Keeping in mind of course what Vivian (tresamie) said, that it should be kept in mind that the apparent appeal is only to the folks at Renderosity.] In this sense it has value as a form of nonspecific feedback. My commenting on other's work, although somewhat sporadic, is fairly consistent in that I don't usually comment on pieces I don't consider special in some way. The number of viewings also has value after you take into account the difference an appealing thunbnail makes on the view numbers. Discussions like this one will help to make the commenting more relevent, even though people will still be people. For the record, I've given up on the H20 ever having any value artistically and don't vote anymore. And I use the ranking as only a special 'gold star' if I feel particularly strongly about an image. I would also like to say to all that we should try to keep any personal back-biting out of this forum. It really lowers the tone. Tim