You are missing the point, or refuse to see it. "Your" point is taken and understood. Do you agree that this is not a situation of black and white? That there are gray areas? If there is no willingness to look and possibly see that there are other ways, the conversation is over. It isn't a question of who is right or who is wrong. Any of us planting our heals in the dirt and digging in just turns into a waste of time for all parties. Cheers, Joe