no problem richard, i know that's what you meant :] i'll tell you one way i look at it & i'm a fine one to talk :P... the difference in photos that are appreciated for their manipulative/artistic skill compared to photos that are appreciated for the more percise skill it takes to shoot the photo yep... RR is not a photo site... so having different catergories in this are virtually nill we have to work with what we have & be accepting of all forms of photography :]