OK, I just tried out the evaluation version of Hexagon, and I am hooked. I just need to get used to their object selector tool, as it is easy to hit the wrong key and mess things up. As for the workflow, it is smooth as silk(I cannot refer to a "baby's butt" as it is against Rosity's TOS;)). I have modeled the vase that was in the tutorial pdf file. I just have to figure out how t oindicate levels of subdivision, because my vase is 56800 polygons, and I can stuff about a dozen V3's in it, but I resized it down. I tried to render it in Shade, but Shade crapped out. I rendered it in Poser5, and it looks awesome. I just used a simple stock glass shader, and adjusted the glass color. I then made a light granite texture for the cune, and made it highly polished. I also softened the shadows from only 1 infinate light. Now, who says Poser5/ firefly is crap??? -The Starkdog