I looked at Dr. Geep's stuff last night. I read almost all the post here before I posted, and your right, most went straight over my head. I have his tuts marked to play with as soon as I get some time. I am working with Victoria3, and a free download called ElvenShyne. It has the teddy and face, but the hands and feet are not colored the same as the rest of the body. How can I put the pic up here to explain? I guess you can tell I'm new to the forums too. Sherry