xantor: Not really fair to stereotype the lw/max users IMO. I'm a Lwave user and don't bash Poser, I use it. madmodelmaxx (I'm assuming) uses Max. To associate people's app of choice to snob behaviour is kinda unfair. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. For the record, I don't have a gun, but I do have a dog. A small one.