This is not a flame! Just posting my own annoyances with PP. Once I got it to work on my MAC , I think it will be a great program. But I had some MAJOR problems in the installation! Thanks for the headache CL* >:( Why these things aren't tested on every concevible machine they can get their hands on I don't know. I think that this time arouns, the PC side got the least of the worries, at least on the installation end. I have heard that they are already planning patches. So again we will patiently wait and see. I do believe that PP will be an invaluable product, but I guess we must all suffer first, and then enjoy PP as it makes it to maturity. But so far other than installation, I have been able to run things very smoothly. I say "so far" because I haven't fully tried out everything I can yet. *Well I do have it for the MAC, and the first problem was it couldn't find a bunch of MSL xxx.DLL files (strangly enough these are PC files converted to the MAC --bad move I'd say). then it proceeded to crash my computer BIG TIME. Well after the headache of completely reconfiguring my system, I got it to work, though I can not open Poser without the same anoying. James