Thank you. I did not know about the Hawktoey or TenTen. Yeah, its weird... my figures look like dumpy soccor moms but I wouldn't be able to show them here because of the mesh... which is V2 to begin with, right? I probly make the saggiest RW based breasts in the poser world. My shtick is trying to make people who look like RW artist's models... you know, art students, house wives, male dancers, old retired folks, and the exotic dancer every once in a while -- not fantasy runway models or adventture babes. I modeled my self back in the day... hard work. But I love those short pneumatic types, man I wish I could justify the cost of SP3 but I just can't :(