Richardson: bucket size always is 32 for me, that seems to work best. I might have to size them down some more, though. I have to strg-ctrl-alt out of Poser when the render seems to go nowhere, but by now I have done two huge renders in the Poser4 engine and one smaller in the Firefly engine, so it looks like I might have been too impatient after all. I mean, nearly 48 hours of rendering can't be much, can it? ;-) Turtle, this might have been the punishment because Poser6 ran fine before we updated...g