Well, Playing around with stuff for free sure doesn't let you realize that Brazil, Vray, etc are high end...and beyond the reach of mere mortals like us. The best part is I have Gesture Max(College has it, Not me), so importing stuff into max is a breeze. But the mesh is really very high res and bugs up Max. And the render I was talking to you about completed in 2hrs, 7 mins in Brazil. The materials had to be tweaked a bit. The hair came up even better than it does in Poser. And with Material Editor, Refs and Refracs are a breeze, so Eyes look a bit more real. Would complete even faster if not better in Vray. And my friends who have taken up the course in Maya also get to work with Pixars PRman. Unfortunately, we with max don't get to as they is no good translator for Max to Rman. But for stills, MR and Brazil are as good as PRman. Thanks a lot anyways guys. I just can't wait to get some really good scene into Max and see how the results are.