Hi Beck, Modeling in Xfrog3 three is something that you can't just jump in. If you follow the tutorial, you would then know what is going on. The rest is knowing how to 'control' it in what you going to model. One think though, if you loose control, creating abstract object model is very natural with it...LOL! I was trying to create (nodel) a hibiscus once and the five petals looks like a handkerchief ripped by a gollira or something....LOL Bill