OK, here are the amended rules: Yes you can use a terrain. I agree that the primitives ARE in fact a little primitive, and good point Bloodsong, I guess we don't want all those transparencies going on. I'm thinking maybe we should make the next VC be a "Blue Gunk" contest. We always get it accidentally, so hey, let's see who can get the best BG intentionally. And then we'll start up a website, posting our results, and invite E-on to have a look-see. ;) Sacred, what are you talking about? You DO understand that we're trying to make physical cloud objects in Vue, and not atmospheric type thingies, right? As it tuns out, at least according to the manual, spheres are the best for this, though it sounds like Bloodsong has a different take on it. BTW, whaddya mean, Bloodsong? Varian, uhh, thanks, but again this wasn't MY idea; it was Daniele's, from a couple of threads down. But I HAVE made a few genius innovations in my Real Life, but that's boring, LOL Dates: Midnight, Wednesday, February 7-- Midnight, Wed., Feb 21, based on US dates and eastern time. I waouls say EST or EDT, but I actually never know which is which! Cheers, Mike