My guess is that the future of Poser depends on how much the PP will sell.<<< Then we may be in trouble. If the messages I am reading here are any indication, CL has a serious problem on their hands -- a piece of software that appears buggier and clunkier than Windows 3.1. And I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but, not everyone who uses Poser uses LW or MAX. If CL is going to tie Poser's wagon to those two packages then there will be quite a drop in the percentage of upgrades. I do most of my humble modeling in Rhino, Amorphium, Canoma and on occassion I will open MAX. I did not get Poser, nor do I believe did most Poser owners, as a "plug-in" for MAX or LW. And I will not pay the additional costs for an upgrade if that is the major benefit. Add to that the cost of upgrading to the version of MAX necessary to use it. I can see the Pro Pack as an add-on for Poser, not as a necessary componet purchase for continued use of future Poser versions. If it is, then I think I have purchased my last version of Poser and my last CL product. And if that is the path CL has chosen, then I think they will discover I am not the only one. Take care and Godspeed.