Interesting discussions! Well if communities or art websites wanted people to create and "learn" by making their own models and mats then they should encourage so !! It doesnt help when you have 10000 freebies on one site, 2000 on another and so on. You put a freebie up and people WILL use it. Some site love themselfs too much by only talking about how many freebies i got/you got. What about the sites that depend on its vendors for income? Where would we be then? Is up to the individual artits (rookie or otherwise) to use that object as best he/she can. You might be doing a scene and be stuck for hours or days only to wonder into a freeby section and find exactly what u were thinkin off. Also we (rookies!) sometimes might render a piece with a freebie and help promote that object and have other members to visit the vendors page/s. I would feel very happy with anybody using my models (free or otherwise). This is not Industrial Light and Magic or Digital Domain. We're doing what we can with what we have. Bryce is limited and not 3d max!. If we learn "How to make it" in the process great!, if not move on. if we (rookies) are not liked for what we do or try to, then why allow us to be a part of a communite?. A simple "your art is poo poo", come back when ur older will do. But then a lot of websites would be empty of talent and inspiration for new and upcoming artist. Let people play i say. Life too short. Alex