omac-- Agreed with LSD, you have no right calling yourself a beginner. =) Also, please understand that none of us (least of all me) are trying to discourage rookies, but rather to encourage them. The goal is to learn, essentially, right? Yes, picking apart models that other people have made helps you to learn a lot, and I have to problem with that. My problem is when some people don't try to learn anything from it, but simply use the models in an extremely basic fashion. They are simply hurting themselving, hitting a plateau and never increasing their skills. LSD-- I haven't budged an inch, either. And drac's robot is awesome, far better than a lot of the commercial stuff. He should have sold it. =) Fran-- Same thing as I said to omac, the goal is to learn and if you learn from it, then great! ...but if you don't, then you are putting yourself on a plateau and will never climb any higher. This is why I make almost all of my own models, because I learn so much more that way. Although it is certainly their choice, they should consider trying to learn to make their own models so that they can improve instead of staying at the same skill level. ski-- Yes, it's grammatically incorrect to use a capital "G" for any but the Christian God (although it's debatable exactly what is meant by that, usually considered to be Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Mormon, etc.). I think I was the one who coined the term "Bryce god"? If I didn't, I didn't get it from anyone else and it's just one of those massive coincidences in life that Douglas Adams found so amusing. =)