My personal evolution: 1. Learned the basics of rendering in Bryce, and posing Poser figures, bringing them into Bryce. (Bryce and Poser were once made by the same company, and I got both in a special deal). 2. Learned the basics of modeling in Bryce, downloaded a lot of freebies, because I had ideas but lacked the ability to model complex models, but still wanted to make the images I could see in my mind's eye. 3. Began to learn Wings, improved my work in the DTE, etc. Been a while since I've made an image with freebies (other than Poser and Daz ones- I still can't model good organics). Point? When you are learning to use Bryce, don't agonize about using Poser or freebies, or whatever. Concentrate on mastering Bryce basics: textures, primatives, lighting, etc. Modeling can come later. Use freebies. There should be NO stigma attached to doing that. Let beginners learn. Encourage them, people! I'll bet you received more encouragement than you remember when you were starting out. I will never tell anyone, oh, you should do this, you should do that. Do what makes you happy. Don't waste time making rules for other people, give everyone time to learn. And spend more of your time learning. Then show me what you can do. Teach me something new. :^) John

This is not my "second childhood". I'm not finished with the first one yet.

Time flies like an arrow; fruit flies like a banana.

"I'd like to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather....not screaming in terror like the passengers on his bus." - Jack Handy