It's all my own work, morrigan, and these are products that have been selling at DAZ for the past 2 years. The DS versions of my products work fine, but not the poser ones. I don't have any other people's stuff to try, but I'm pretty sure it would be the same. Also, questor can't reproduce it, so I suspect it's an isolated bug. There's a thread here. http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=295440#295440 I tried renewing my account and d/ld it again. Same result. I think I'll have to pass on this version. mac