The models in Poser are given away free with the program so that new users have some content to work with as they are learning. CuriousLabs commissions and buys the rights to the models they include. There is actually quite a large amount of new free content with each version release. After they are comfortable with Poser, new users can go and purchase the right models for whatever art they are doing. If they want pin-ups with glamorous figures they can go get Vicky; if they want realistic figures, or toon figures, or even no figures at all, they can shop for other models. It is quite possible to use Poser without a naked woman on tippy-toes in the scene! DAZ makes most of its money from their stock figures and the brokerage fees from all the add-ons to support those figures: morphs, textures, clothes, hair. It's hundreds of dollars for each figure once you start adding up all the costs. If Poser came with the DAZ figures, it would have to sell for several hundred dollars more in order to cover the costs of the models... that would be forcing people who don't want those models to buy them anyway, and would push Poser into a higher-piced market, where sales of the core application would be affected. That would be really bad for CuriousLabs. If the Millennium 4 family, and some clothes and hair and morphs and poses were included free with Poser... why would anybody buy at DAZ? Their cash stream would trickle down so that they would only have income from some brokered items. They would have to charge more for their software if they weren't selling original content. Studio wouldn't be free and Bryce and the other programs would be pushed into a higher bracket and their sales would be affected. That would be really bad for DAZ. And, most of all, the higher prices and lack of choice would be really bad for all of us. Why play a game where everybody loses? Carolly