DAZ didn't make Dork and Posette "for" Poser 4. Sorry, but I happen to have the computer graphics magazine article from 1998. The figures were already being sold by Zygote as stand alone figures, for hundreds of dollars, and MetaCreations managed to license the rights to include them in Poser. Maclean, DAZ only recently let V3 and M3 go for free, and that is a barebones deal: no textures, hair, poses, or morphs beyond what is needed to open their mouths. So you save 70 bucks on the figure but spend several hundred more to make it look human... and then you have to clothe it. It is a competitive marketing ploy to ensure that any other figure developer enters the market at a severe disadvantage and only because of the recent development of what might possibly be competitive figures on several fronts. The figures included in Poser already have wardrobes, hair, and at least 1 included texture. Morphs are minimal because of the face room and morph putty. Someone just starting doesn't need a flagship queen, just a human-looking body to dress and pose and light and render. After they've learned the basics, then they can make intelligent purchases based upon whatever type of art they are going to be doing... anime, courtroom forensics, aliens & war machines, architectural renderings, fairies & unicorns, and ads for exercise equipment don't really need V3, do they? But pin-ups or celebrity portraits or gallery images where everybody is using the same character in the same clothing and pose do require joining the group and buying all the add-ons. Carolly