yeah Misha, i'd prefer the longer exposure with a small aperture setting. for some reason they just seem to come out better that way. everyone's always telling me a larger aperture but they just don't seem to be as detailed... maybe it's just me.... i wish my cam had an ISO lower then 200, though i never seem to have problems with it, i'd still like to go lower with a longer shutter speed... this shot was 30sec @ f/18 ISO 200. there's a little noise in the sky but not enough for me to think of it as ruined.. EB