lesbentley you are right! and wise words too! sometimes users forget about the reality. JOELGLAINE I know you can't do this in Poser4, but you can in Poser5 or Poser6, using Image, plug the Image maps you talking about into any light in Poser5-6 and you will get the nice effect you wish. It is called the ::Gel:: light effect nothing to do with IBL .. in this case it will works like projector, amazing for wave simulations and under water scenes. Cath

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