Yeah......if 9/10th's of the people browsing Renderosity at any given time would just go away: then we'd probably see a site speed increase. LOL Well the point of my bringing up that comparison wasn't to tell people to go away. It was to compare the trace routes and to distinguish that the problem appears to lie with bandwidth capacities rather than it getting hung up somewhere along the path. It looks like basically what it amounts too is "We need more power, captain!" (said in best Scotty imitation voice)