"Sounds like deci6el has a real problem with purist, if they even exsist" Dude, I'm right here. No need to talk about me in the third person. I'm being up front about what it is. And purists exist. Then LawnDart and I made sure between each other that we weren't slamming "purists". Then I stated my reasons why even I (me) would want to be one (a purist). Yes, the Pros knows there's no one shot render. My comment was not meant to provoke but to clearly state that the work I was promoting contained parts of Poser. This was meant as a courtesy for those in the Poser forum who only want to deal with Poser issues. I hope I have answered your question.