I thought my first renders were great... I look at them now and laugh because they suck. LOL! Yeah, you and me both. art is truly only judged by its creator because its value is also seen in the eyes of that same creator. (aesthetic theory) I see. Well, tell that to all the instructors I had in drawing, 2D design, 3D design (meaning, sculpture and such; this was in the days before there was much of anything in the way of 3D digital art), color theory, etc. They, for some bizarre reason, thought that we could all improve with constructive input (and I agree). Critique, and I mean real critique, that discusses the good points as well as the bits that might be up for improvement or at least "rethinking", really, truly, DOES help you improve. That goes for art, design of all kinds, many kinds of technical fields, music, dance, you name it. I get the "I don't really care what other people think" attitude (hey, lots of my stuff is done for my own pleasure only), but I don't get the "Don't tell me what I'm doing right or what I'm doing wrong" line of thought. Whatever. shrug bonni

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