My goodness, this thread ended up here in C&D way faster than I even bargained for, you folks sure are fast! Anyways, you know, I'm not about to throw any punches at you for feeling the way you feel. Maybe you do have a good reason to feel let down, cheated, outnumbered?? I can somewhat sympathise for both the host and the hostess here ;-) Zygote/Daz has a GOOD enough rep without any folks like me to praise them even more. I do know that without THEM, we would have a heck of a lot less, maybe we wouldn't even have a Poser to use as we do?? They have given us a lot for free, and they have made more than enough excellent pieces of high quality items. As far as I know, they are more than courteious and caring of their customer base. However the last year and a half has shown them as not being so unique anymore. There are a LOT of very gifted talents that have indeed equalled them and maybe even surpassed them in some various ways. Perhaps, due to this alone a lot of us, like you CreativeOne, have come to expect just a little bit more than was once some time ago. When we constantly get bombarded with INCREDIBLE characters and props from so many talents all over, most of them containing morph upon morph upon morph and then even some magnets, and a LOT of these are EVEN for FREE and even contain texture maps to boot, I suppose we tend to wonder "why the heck did I just pay for this?" when we end up buying something thinking in the same venue as we have become rather accustomed to. Perhaps it IS time for a re-assessment, to look at or do a survey to see just what IS now expected from the average poser consumer as far as value goes?? Have to also remember CreativeOne, a lot of these characters and stuff may be somewhat outdated by the standards set forth in the newer items everywhere. I do not wish to put Zygote/Daz down in any way because WE all have way too much to be thankful for as far as their wonderful history of produce is concerned, but as well, they also have to consider that we are a PRIME customer base and "look up" to them in so many ways, and to be disappointed by them, is almost like being let down by a deity in some respects. They are ONE of the most important parts of our Poser heritage, thus we then do expect their works to be even more competitive than above average. If they falter and become less than we have come to expect from even freestuff, nevermind so many other fine SOLD creations by many, then yes, people like CreativeOne do come to feel they have been somewhat let down in a way. Just a "thought", I am NOT here to bash or seek approval for my words here, if I am wrong, I am sorry, (I have enough on my plate to make even more problems for me but I hope I have a right to an opinion?) ;-)