Well after all that i think my question has been answered... Renda seams to be too similar to V3 to make it work a purchase. Thankyou all for the comparisons which have hopefully helped everyone else make up their own minds. And i look forward to seeing Antons female counterpart for Apollo Maximus...hmmm,anyone know when that will be released???

Getting old and still making "art" without soiling myself, now that's success.