This is in reply to Blackheart's statements. First, you ARE part of a PR machine - whether you accept it or not, you are promoting Renda. You may not intentionally be a part of it, but you are a cog in the machine none-the-less. However my comment in that regard was more directed at the RPublisher comments that tried to "justify" bad jp's. Sorry, but I have seen enough images of Renda in basic poses now to know the jp's are awful. I dislike people justifying their bad workmanship rather than admitting their mistake and moving towards fixing it. Second - the term "home hobbyist 3D market" implies to me more than "posing premade figures". It includes landscapes, it includes low-cost modelling tools, it includes posing premaded figures, etc. Sorry, but while Poser does dominate the "posing premade content" part of the "home hobbyist 3D market" - it by no means even has a share in the other parts of it. I was not comparing Poser to Bryce - I was simply pointing out the fact that given that Renda, V3, etc are all POSER CONTENT - it is kind of hard for Poser not to have the dominant market share of the software it is used in. Just like Bryce would have the dominant market share of the program in which Bryce content is used... Third, I am not debating nor supporting the claims about DAZ. I agree, via a combination of factors they dominate the Poser content market. Personally I think it is currently at the moment due to two things - better marketting and a truckload of momentum. And you know what? Renda ain't going to change that. Releasing something KNOWING FULL WELL the JP's are as bad as they are only serves to strengthen the impression of "DAZ are professionals. The rest have no idea what they're doing". Think about it for a second and you will see that no matter how it is spun - DAZ comes out looking the best. I am not "pro-DAZ" (see my EULA threads) - I am pro-customer (again - see same said threads). And selling Renda at this stage (ESPECIALLY at the price they set her at) is tantamount to robbery as far as I am concerned. I've seen many REAL freebies of much higher quality (V3/M3 are free only in the sense of dollars - the EULA is incredibly restrictive). Last but not least, I would agree with not "burying" the figure were it still in a "beta" format. However this is a "released" figure and sold at a substantially high price (given the quality). When one is making a beta preview of a figure - one expects these kinds of things to come up AND BE FIXED. However, Rendo was informed of the problems and still decided to release it anyway. On that basis - I say bury the figure and the mentality behind it's premature release. I am sick to death of products being released with known faults and then getting a tonne of "service releases" afterward needed to make it useful. I think that we should not stand by and accept that nonsense - regardless of whether it is a new figure, application, or operating system. Oh, and Jim - I love your work. You and Anton are the Poser riggers I look to for inspiration. I see the results you can get and I think "God damn! I want to be that good" ;) EK