"Second - the term "home hobbyist 3D market" implies to me more than "posing premade figures". It includes landscapes, it includes low-cost modelling tools, it includes posing premaded figures, etc. Sorry, but while Poser does dominate the "posing premade content" part of the "home hobbyist 3D market" - it by no means even has a share in the other parts of it. I was not comparing Poser to Bryce - I was simply pointing out the fact that given that Renda, V3, etc are all POSER CONTENT - it is kind of hard for Poser not to have the dominant market share of the software it is used in. Just like Bryce would have the dominant market share of the program in which Bryce content is used..." the home hobbyist 3d market does not, to me, include apps like silo, rhino, zbrush, etc. these are prop apps that are just being used to create poser content, and are nowhere near accessible to the 'hobbyist'. poser is a hobbyist application, and it is the only product of its kind, obviously excluding landscape apps like bryce and such which while used in combination with poser for better rendering quality really arent in the same category at all. so yeah, until another company comes along and creates an application compatible with the thousands of dollars of premade poser content that poser users have invested in, that costs under $250 and does more or less the same thing poser does (but hopefully more, and more stable and resource efficient), CL has a monopoly in this market. its not even really debateable: every single person reading this thread uses poser, and im sure that given the opportunity most would leap at the chance to try something new that still supports their poser content collections, yet there simply is nothing that comes close. something like character studio for max is remotely similar but costs many, many times the amount and is nowhere near as user friendly or easy to pick up. as for the term POSER CONTENT, daz studio (as unfinished as it is) and common sense illustrates that another app should be capable of reading and using poser files - just as max, rhino, c4d, photoshop, etc can open and edit/manipulate files made by competing apps. just wanted to comment on that. as to the rest of the renda stuff, im so tired of sitting here reading all of this (not insulting anyone posting, but my head is starting to hurt from reading hundreds of long posts today). im just going to start working on my next product and let this whole issue play out however it will. ive already staked far too much of my reputation on it already by just beseeching people to give it time and a chance to be fixed before the flaming starts -- and all i really am here is a 3rd party content creator: i just made a morph for the thing, and that sums up my involvement to date. cheers, -gabriel