"..and are nowhere near accessible to the 'hobbyist'" cough ...err, with the exception of silo - which is $100. even so its erroneous to assume that anyone that uses poser can and will just pick up an external app like Silo (even a free one like amapi) and just start creating their own content for it... and even if they did, the functionality of rhino, silo, zbrush, etc does not overlap that of poser. poser is in a pretty unique class, and thats why its gained such a following: it brings cinematic quality 3D home to the average hobbyist and does so in a way that is intuitive (well, at least until P6) and easy to learn. i just keep wondering how much larger the poser market has to become before a serious company steps in and creates a competing application. competition isnt a bad thing - it only yields good results for the consumer, and frankly if there was another company competing for our wallets with CL then we wouldnt have had to put up with half of the crap they put us through with both P5 and P6.