CreativeOne, many of us would tend to agree with you more if you were shouting alot less. Sure there are issues with most off the shelf models, and few of them will meet the needs of every individual user. That is why you find so many permutations released here in both free stuff and in the store area. Speaking of the store area, have you chosen to check that out instead of Zygote? There are two excellent muscular Michaels in there right now. MichelAngelo by Kennect for the ultra reasonable price of 15.00. http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=661 Also Massive Mike by Wyrmmaster, again for 15.00 http://www.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=653 Now if Poser4 characters suit your fancy better... there used to be an excellent p4 Muscle Man here, and another called Physique, Physique even had clothes morphed to go onto his body. Both of these characters was loaded down with morphs. Texturing though would need to be done for both, but most any of the nice free textures for Dork is a good starting place. Does anyone happen to know where those characters went, or even who the creators were so maybe I could host them and reupload them for others to have access to? I have both, but would like to give credit If Im gonna try to host and reupload both. CreativeOne, in the meantime, try not to get too many angry at you, folks here have long memories. Contact me at mehndi_studios@hotmail.com and I can email out to you the Poser 4 muscle men characters that I have on hand if you wish.