"It really requires knowledge of human anatomy, kinematics, external physiology, musculature, 3D rigging/modelling/deformations, and a whole slew of other concerns. It is not something for amateurs and definitely not for the feint of heart." I couldnt agree more if it comes to creating an ORIGINAL meshes, but if you look at odeathoflifes pics it is beyond doubt that Renda is just a bad copy of Vicky3 even if the polygons are placed differently. Sorry, but "painting by numbers" doesnt qualify in my book for creating an ORIGINAL mesh. As Neftis has proven, you can make a completely original mesh that is as atractive (even more so) as Vicky without copying a single vertce of her. So sorry, no "B" for effort, but rather an "F" for cheating. stahlratte