Well, I would think there are two things to mention regarding the "derivative" status of Renda from my point of view. First, it is too incredibly like V3 to be a coincidence. I personally think it was done so that she could use V3 clothing with minimal tweaks and a JP inijection pose on the clothing (though why anyone in their right mind would inject those JP's is beyond me). As such, I think we can (given reasonable expectations) simply take the fact that she looks like V3 for a reason, and that would be to take advantage of the massive amounts of V3 content. Second, Jim is quite right (as one would expect) about the copyright issues regarding Renda should V3 even be used as a reference. One could not use a "fair use" defense on this either as that right is waivedd by the DAZ EULA. It is possible (though unlikely) that Renda used V3 clothing as a reference to get around this. Though technically still a "derivative" (somewhere along the line - V3 was used) - I highly doubt DAZ would go down the path of actively claiming rights over clothing meshes due to the PR issues that would raise. Please note - this is not in support of the Renda figure. I think it is too V3 to be worth my effort and the JP's are frankly shocking. Now Blackheart's morph is quite nice, but it is still subject to the crap JP's and as such will look terrible once out of the default t-pose. There are better figures out there for free - DAZ's figures if you can accept their license (something I currently cannot), Mayadoll & her cousins for the more japanese/manga look (free to use though no redistribution allowed), or my favourite - the Project Human line from Sixus1 (free in almost EVERY sense of the word so long as credit & the PH website link are given in the readme file). Anton's Maximus add some nice features and comes after much testing and tweaking things to get it just right. It is not my preferred figure style, but I have much more respect for someone who delays their release until they have things perfected than those that put somoething out with flaws that not only affect all users, but were informed of before they decided put it on the market. The whole set of actions that have led up to this figures release makesme ask two questions (well three, but one becomes redundant after answering the first question). Did Renda go through the proper testing channels with this figure? If not - why not? And if so - how did it make it make it through with such obvious issues? EK