"and im sad that the entire poser market revolves around vicky's deformed body simply because of the monopoly daz has in the original figure market. not only does 99% of clothing get modelled over that shape but it also influences the bulk of artwork. hell its at the point where someone like jim releases a properly proportioned model and people say 'her head is too big'. umno, vicky's head is too @$#%ing small! ive been telling people this for years, but theyve had vicky and her clones shoved doown their throats for so long that she has become the 'norm' -- hell, even an 'ideal'. its extremely depressing." I agree with that! I do model all my stuff currently over Ingenue Vickie, because I think her shape is the most ideal of all my figures, and also she is (by far) the smallest, I find it much, much easier to make clothing fit bigger, more well endowed figures- it is much easier to expand than shrink. So IV always gets her version first, even though the money is to be made in the V3 version. The path is usally IV -> GV -> V3, then IV -> Other figures. So I can surely see why Rendo looks like she was designed to wear V3's clothing, maybe with a Joint Injection Pose for the clothing. The downside of this setup is if they do JCM (later) they can't carry that over later to the clothing. I tried to do G J with JCJ, which actually would carry over, but I found proplems with that setup, and had to go back to JCM. I don't see how any female human Poser figure can match V3's bending (let alone better it) without using JCM, incidently.