There are many things I'd go about doing for realism in Poser but I think artistheat that you just helped me find my limits:):):) I did search for scar images but nothing I can really use. I did find a beautiful free scar pack for Adrian by Nikitacreed at RDNA and used that instead. I'll use that with your suggestions Fazzel and I'm sure it'll work out. Thanks guys Niki