Forum: Complaint & Debate


Subject: Member Wagner Banned

tim opened this issue on Feb 12, 2001 ยท 67 posts


Jack D. Kammerer posted Wed, 14 February 2001 at 1:11 PM

Hello Everyone, First allow me to state that the reason Ed and I removed ourselves from the 3D Commune website was done as a means to bring about an end to allot of the "Us Vs Them" wars that had developed after our ejection from the Renderosity Web Site. We felt that it was important to do this to bring stability and a closure to the "wars" that members found themselves, often times, unwillingly involved in. For the past week, it would seem that this move on mine and Ed's part helped to ease the tension that the Community felt was there and everyone was able to move about freely, without fear of reproach or fear of being pulled into a "war." However, it has come to our attention that Tim Choates, from Edgenet/Bondware inc., would like to keep the fires burning and the war continuing from statements found in his post on Renderosity's News and Team Forum, whereas he states: Quote - "The member "Wagner" has been banned for hacking the Renderosity site. This falls under the Terms of Use section of "maliciously subverting the normal operations of the features of this Site." Wagner is an admin at Renderotica and this is the second incident of this nature originating from that site. His efforts were detected when he set off a trip-wire designed to detect unauthorized entry into the site. Security has been tightened to avoid future problems of this nature." -End Quote. This is CERTAINLY a situation that should be addressed and dealt with, considering that it appears that an Admin from our Renderotica site was involved in this sort of activity. However, I believe that it would've been a situation that could have been resolved before it came to this juncture. Allow me to explain... It became apparent that there was an individual(s) that was hacking onto the 3D Commune site, as many of you would remember, around Christmas of 2000. A situation that we had tried to patch up, not just on our sites, but also on Renderosity. After the holiday's, I had spoke with Tim Choates of Edgenet and informed him of many of the "holes" in their security, be it in EZ Forum source code accessible to certain members, to people using the same passwords on all of the sites. Mr. Choates also confirmed that they had received hacking attempts on their Renderosity site, and though he had an oppertunity to say who the individual was, he failed to do so. At which point this situation could have been resolved two months ago. Even during the past two months, Tim and other staff of Renderosity have "eluded" to the fact that one of the people responsible for the hacking attempts was a staff member of Renderotica. Repeatedly, I had asked for a name so I could deal with the situation, but instead, it furthered their cause to keep the identity of the individual a secret, rather than come out and tell us so that we could deal with it and keep it from getting to this point. So obviously they knew that it was a staff member of Renderotica BEFORE the staff member admitted to their actions (as RCooke states)... so just how did they know? Unless..... Anyway my statement is as follows, take it for what it is worth... These actions were the actions of a single individual, the actions made against Renderosity and it's site was never sanctioned by anyone within the company of Dark Soul Images: Internet Media, inc., or by myself. Neither myself, nor my company, would sanction the acts of computer hacking or espionage, nor support that kind of activity from a member of our staff, NO MATTER, what kind of situation could warrant that sort of behavior. We encourage the owners of Renderosity to seek restitution for any damages they feel were made from the actions of this individual, however, they should only do so from the party responsible for those said actions. Furthermore, we feel that this situation could have been handled in a more professional manner if the owners of the Renderosity Web Site could have provided the information that we requested of them numerous times in the past, but failed to receive, and feel that this kind of public statement is an attempt by Edgenet/Bondware inc., to allege to the members of their site and the members of the Community that we were in someway involved in this sort of behavior. In closing, we feel that the ending for petty rivalry and wars is at hand, not just for the owners of "Poser" Web Sites, but also for the Community and the members that patron these sites. We have made the first step in assuring peace throughout the Community. Are we to be alone in this action??? Sincerely, Jack D. Kammerer, Jr. Dark Soul Images: Internet Media, inc.