Jeff, Paul (that is your name, right Ikyoto? If I'm remembering incorrectly, forgive me), I think the two of you really need to step back and take a deep breath, and think about things. You both came into this with a defensive attitude which really seems to just make things worse. Fact: Someone, allegedly an admin at Renderotica, by the sn of Wagner attempted to hack this site. Fact: There are tensions between the sites, primarily due to idiots like this. However, the existence of a person like this Wagner does not mean that everyone - or even ANYONE - else at R'otica is a "bad guy." I can see how the initial statement Tim made could IMPLY this attitude, but I seriously doubt it was intended that way. I can understand how upsetting this can be, and understand how angry you guys are, but directing it at each other will just trigger another site war, something we neither need NOR want, especially during this transition phase going on with R'otica and 3DCommune. Please, just calm down a bit and direct your UNDERSTANDABLE anger and outrage at the guilty party - allegedly Wagner - and not at each other, PLEASE?!?