"I can see the rope was provided." ROFLOL! You're most welcome ED! ynsaen - as someone who appreciates god sarcasm - I stand in awe :D "But WHY???? If V3 is free, what is the point of having something identical? I don't get it." 1. For money (which exuses all). 2. V3 may not be free FOREVER. by Taria on 6/29/05 "Of course I have nothing important to say about the cr2 cause well to be honest. I'm a moron on those matters. Don't do coding and won't touch it for fear of screwing it up...lol" Are you saying what I THINK you're saying? It was YOU that did the Renda rigging fix?? ;D Cliff