My motives for posting this publically can be questioned 'til the cows come home. The original post was a heads up for people who might be having some problems with Renda. BTW, I didn't pore over the CR2, I opened it in notepad. Took about two minutes or less to find the examples that I gave. Hey, when you get a minute, I didn't know that I had an agenda. Could you tell me what it is so that I can schedule appropriately around it ? --Rebekah--