IB: im not going to be held responsible for this. as a merchant, working with other peoples products in the MP, you cant realistically sit there and run every single one under the microscope before you start working on it. wed be spending 99% of our time examining, investigating and testing and 1% actually working on my products. ive learned my lesson, im not going to be on any initial launch again. ill sit back and see how things go, and if im satisfied with the products progress then ill add my support. i do custom morphs, textures, model clothing, and a JCM or 2 here and there. i know jack @$#% about joint parameters, and while i voiced that there were some problems with renda i assumed that the people responsible for them were working on it (and they were, just not fast enough). i took a big risk doing initial content for a product i had not even seen before, and in this case it backfired on me. rest assured that ill be pretty hesitant, if not downright reluctant, do do anything like this ever again. "That being the case, "then" maybe merchants need to start investigating things themselves as a matter of course, out of sheer self preservation, ya think?" again, i dont have time for this. im not an 'investigator', or a tester. ill just stick to established figures as a method of 'self preservation'... well established ones. it seems noone is immune to this - look at the nesterenko deal at 3DC, for all i know there may have been initial content providers burned on that one as well. you cant expect a merchant to start comparing vertices and joint parameters of whatever theyre working on to popular similar models, evern after something like this. theyre just going to avoid them like the plague.