I agree Anton and I even remember you stating those same concerns to me many years ago when you first told me that you were working on Apollo. :o) As for manipulated... I think that is a concern and a topic that will probably need some attention in the near future and in a thread of its own. I certainly think that there needs to be some way in which to educate the Community for things in which to look for. Not just for model makers, but also for people who are interested in purchasing products to avoid becoming innocent victims. In just this year alone, with my very limited activity in the Poser Community, I can think of five instances where customers have been screwed because of situations like this one, because they've (the products) made it past store testers and sold... so, yes, something definately needs to be done to prevent this from continuing to happen. Jack