"It establishes copyright beyond mesh. It represents that even when using an original mesh, copyright into design can be violated." Hmm, DAZ sells Victoria2/P4 and Stephanie/P4, very different and all original meshes but both morphed into Posettes exact body shape and using her (Or ate least VERY similar) JPs to make them able to wear Posettes clothes. Sooooo, isnt DAZ by selling these meshes violating E-frontiers copyright the same way that Renda violated DAZ copyright ? (Even though I dont doubt that none of the DAZ modellers took any shortcut by creating the P4 versions) Just curious, but IS there a legal way at all to design a (new) mesh that can wear V3s clothing ? stahlratte